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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2017, 11:37:01 am »
Hi all thanks for inviting me onto this forum which I hope to use to tell my story.
In the meantime having looked at some of the posts, I can identify with Mitch in a big way and can only say that I am now a bigger and better person following my mother's death. I hope you are making progress.
I'll be back with my story soon.

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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2017, 12:33:13 pm »
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Yeah,
 it makes me think as well I can definitely see my mother in there. But it has helped me understand a little bit more

Mitch
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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2017, 12:44:24 pm »
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Thought this may be of interest
 
study of carer burden and well-being

Rachel C. Bailey, University of WollongongFollow
Brin F. S Grenyer, University of WollongongFollow

RIS ID
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Publication Details
Bailey, R. C. & Grenyer, B. F. S. (2014). Supporting a person with personality disorder: a study of carer burden and well-being. Journal Of Personality Disorders, 28 (6), 796-809.

Abstract
Personality disorders are characterized by impaired interpersonal functioning. There are few studies and little data available using validated questionnaires on the impact of caring for a person with personality disorder. The 287 carers included in this study were administered the McLean Screening Instrument for Borderline Personality Disorder-Carer Version, Burden Assessment Scale, Grief Scale, Difficulties in Emotion Regulation Scale, Mental Health Inventory-5, and a qualitative question. Scores were compared to those of published comparison groups. Burden and grief were significantly higher than that reported by carers of persons with other serious mental illnesses. Carers endorsed symptoms consistent with mood, anxiety, and posttraumatic stress disorders. A qualitative concept map highlighted the impact of caregiving on the interpersonal environment. Carers of persons with personality disorder report grieving their change in life and impairment in well-being. Carers are burdened, and appear more so than carers of persons with other serious mental illnesses. The results highlight the need for interventions to support carers.


www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg78/evidence/bpd-full-guideline-242147197


4.3.7 Public awareness and education One study by Haigh (2002) reported on public awareness and education about personality disorder. It was felt by service users that more education about mental health difficulties should be provided in schools to reduce stigma, to educate about vulnerability and to teach students how to seek appropriate help if they experienced difficulties. Leaflets in GP surgeries and support groups for families/carers were also suggested. Service users also felt that it was important that people became aware that a diagnosis of personality disorder ‘doesn’t mean you’re not a nice person’.

Mitch





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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2017, 10:28:39 am »
Thank you to all of you who have messaged in with your stories, your suggestions and most importantly your encouragement and support. Please keep it up!

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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2017, 04:10:01 pm »
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Are You In A Relationship With Someone Who Has "Borderline Personality Disorder"

Do you feel like you have to tiptoe around your loved one, watching every little thing you say or do for fear of setting them off?
Do you often hide what you think or feel in order to avoid fights and hurt feelings?
Does your loved one shift almost instantaneously between emotional extremes (e.g. calm one moment, raging the next, then suddenly despondent?) Are these rapid mood swings unpredictable and seemingly irrational?
Does your loved one tend to view you as all good of bad, with no middle ground? For example, either you're "perfect" and the only one they can count on or you're "selfish" and "unfeeling" and never truly loved them.
Do you feel like you can't win, that anything you say or do will be twisted and used against you?
Does it feel as if your loved one's expectations are constantly changing, so you're never sure how to keep the peace?
Is everything always your fault?
Do you feel constantly criticized and blamed for things that don't even make sense?
Does the person accuse you of doing and saying things you never did?
Do you feel misunderstood whenever you try to explain or reassure your partner?
Do you feel manipulated by fear, guilt, or outrageous behavior?
Does your loved one make threats, fly into violent rages, make overly dramatic declarations, or do dangerous things when they think you're unhappy or may leave?

If you answer "yes" to most of these questions, your partner or family member might have borderline personality disorder.

"Example" :-

Pass the butter – BPD and families

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“I never cry, I’m usually a very positive, upbeat person and quite strong. But this broke me. It totally consumed me.” Isabella Jones’ daughter Amelia* was diagnosed as having a borderline personality disorder two years ago, but it wasn’t until recently that she learnt how to cope and more importantly, how to live, with her daughter’s illness.

One of the hardest things for the families and loved ones of someone affected by a personality disorder is that they don’t understand what’s happening and often cannot cope. Above all they struggle to communicate and, as ValeriePorr, author of Overcoming Borderline Personality Disorder, A Family Guide for Healing and Change, and President of TARA (Teaching Treatment and Research Advancements Association for personality disorder), says “they often say the wrong things for the right reasons.”

“A classic example of what happens” Valerie explains “is you are all sitting around the dinner table and you say to the person with borderline ‘pass the butter’ and they respond with something like ‘why are you picking on me!? I’m not a maid, why don’t you ask him to pass it?’” As a result the family is stunned and thinks ‘where did that come from!?’ and often an argument starts.


Does someone close to you suffer from borderline personality disorder (BPD)? If so, you already know that BPD not only affects those with the diagnosis—it affects everyone who cares about them. People with BPD have difficulty regulating their emotions and behavior and that can take a heavy toll on their partners, family members, and friends. But there’s hope, both for the person with BPD and for you. You can’t force someone to get treatment for BPD, but you can take steps to improve communication, set healthy boundaries, and stabilize the relationship.

People with borderline personality disorder (BPD) tend to have major difficulties with relationships, especially with those closest to them. The wild mood swings, angry outbursts, chronic abandonment fears, and impulsive and irrational behaviors can leave loved ones feeling helpless, abused, and off balance. Partners and family members of people with BPD often say it’s like being on an emotional roller coaster with no end in sight. You may feel like you’re at the mercy of your loved one’s BPD symptoms—trapped unless you leave the relationship or the person takes steps to get better. But you have more power than you think.

You can change the relationship by managing your own reactions, establishing firm limits, and improving communication between the two of you. There’s no magic cure but with the right treatment and support, many people with BPD can and do get better and their relationships can become more stable and rewarding. In fact, patients with the most support and stability at home tend to get better sooner than those whose relationships are more chaotic and insecure. Whether it’s your partner, parent, child, sibling, friend, or other loved one, you can improve both the relationship and your own quality of life, even if the person with BPD isn’t ready to acknowledge the problem or seek treatment


If your loved one has borderline personality disorder, it’s important to recognize that he or she is suffering. The destructive and hurtful behaviors are a reaction to deep emotional pain. In other words, they’re not about you. When your loved one does or says something hurtful towards you, understand that the behavior is motivated by the desire to stop the pain he or she is experiencing; it’s rarely deliberate.

Learning about BPD won’t automatically solve your relationship problems, but it will help you understand what you’re dealing with and handle difficulties in more constructive ways.


When a family member or partner has borderline personality disorder, it’s all too easy to get caught up in heroic efforts to please and appease him or her. You may find yourself putting most of your energy into the person with BPD at the expense of your own emotional needs. But this is a recipe for resentment, depression, burnout, and even physical illness. You can’t help someone else or enjoy sustainable, satisfying relationships when you’re run down and overwhelmed by stress. As in the event of an in-flight emergency, you must “put on your own oxygen mask first.”

Avoid the temptation to isolate. Make it a priority to stay in touch with family and friends who make you feel good. You need the support of people who will listen to you, make you feel cared for, and offer reality checks when needed.

You’re allowed (and encouraged) to have a life! Give yourself permission to have a life outside of your relationship with the person with BPD. It’s not selfish to carve out time for yourself to relax and have fun. In fact, when you return to your BPD relationship, you’ll both benefit from your improved perspective.

Join a support group for BPD family members. Meeting with others who understand what you’re going through can go a long way. If you can’t find an in-person support group in your area, you may want to consider joining an online BPD community.

Don’t neglect your physical health. Eating right, exercising, and getting quality sleep can easily fall by the wayside when you’re caught up in relationship drama. Try to avoid this pitfall. When you’re healthy and well rested, you’re better able to handle stress and control your own emotions and behaviors.

Learn to manage stress. Getting anxious or upset in response to problem behavior will only increase your loved one’s anger or agitation. By practicing with sensory input, you can learn to relieve stress as it’s happening and stay calm and relaxed when the pressure builds.'


Many friends or family members often feel guilty and blame themselves for the destructive behavior of the borderline person. You may question what you did to make the person so angry, think you did something to deserve the abuse, or feel responsible for any failure or relapse in treatment. But it’s important to remember that you’re not responsible for another person. The person with BPD is responsible for his or her own actions and behaviors.

The 3 C's are:

I didn't cause it.
I can't cure it.
I can't control it.


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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2017, 09:19:47 am »
Hi everybody I just registered to this ...I don't know if I'm ready to tell my story but I wanted to post this I wrote when I was about 12...hard to believe that was only 24 years ago...I figured out at a young age that hiding a writing book and writing poetry helped me release the build up inside ....your mum is supposed to be the one person in the world your supposed to be able to trust and rely on but what if she is the one that causes you the most pain of all....I moved half away cross the world so as to never see her hear from her...she finally got her wish because I'm dead to her which is what she always wanted...anyways I hope it's OK to post this here..

stolen innocence

where was you when i wanted to die
just carried on pretending to live a lie
not one look of guilt upon your face
not one look of sorrow from that time or place
you kept pretending everything was fine
you didn't see the hurt in these eyes of mine
how could you just walk away
even when i cried for you to come back and stay
the moment you did that, i then knew
i no longer felt any love for you
hate and anger took over its place
you probably saw it upon my face
could you see the look in my eyes
from the look of warmth to the look of ice
in stolen innocence you played your part
i was never there, never in your heart
i should have been number one in your life
i was your child before you became his wife
now your sad and all alone
i don't give 2 **** I've got my home
now its my time to do the walking away
nothing you can say will make me stay
here's goodbye from me to you
never again will i say i love you

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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2017, 09:29:43 am »
Im not really 3. I am nearly 45. A year ago I had a car accident. Someone smashed into me doing 70 whilst I was stationary waiting for a farmer to get a cow off the road. I have some low level brain injury. Two months ago I tried to throw myself off a motorway bridge. All hail the mighty truck driver who waved at me with the biggest smile. It stopped being about me and became about him. He was someones son, father, brother. I had no right to risk his life in ending mine.
What has happened according to the psychiatrist who is trying to stop someone the world thought was uber capable from ending her life is that that accident, those injuries took away every coping mechanism I had ever tried to put in place and I had to deal with my vulnerable self. My vulnerable self is a 3 year old child who was physically, emotionally and it turns out sexually abused by her Grandmother and her Mother - or so we thought.
Flashbacks - weird ones and long drawn out Hollywood style entities have been a part of daily routine. They fall on me as pieces of a jig thrown from a box into the air that I have to bring together and interpret. On Tuesday I could not get out of my car. My husband had to come home and get me out of the car and into the house where promptly I went to pieces for an entire day. I have very few memories of my childhood. What is there is pain and anger, violence and rage, being locked in rooms for days at a time. My earliest and most vivid memory is banging the door against my Grandfathers head as he lay on the floor having a suffered a fatal stroke. Someone came and took the door out. I was wrapped in a woollen blanket that itched my skin. I was 3 and I had been naked with my Grandfather in the toilet and the room that toilet was in, ironically, was the size of a coffin. I remember having lots of conversations with my feet in the bath, bent over, whilst my Grandmother or mother washed my genital area harshly and for extended periods, something I previously had thought was them abusing me. I realise they were complicit. They were the 'clean up team'.
My Grandmother hated me from that day on. She was every model of 'mother' on the list on this site. She would sooner beat me with a metal walking stick than have a have a conversation with me about the weather. My mother went to work 9-5, 5 days a week. Such was the nature of our house Saturday and Sunday were taken up with chores. She had no time for me. I asked her once why we had to live with my Grandmother and she said "we'd end up on a council estate and she didnt want that for me." Having children of my own now who are my absolute world, I see she either didnt want that for her, or she had been me and was too insecure, too scared of living without the control to leave.
I have tried for 42 years to hide this. I have boxed it up and put in over my shoulder and worked myself into the ground so it never comes back again but it has and now exhausted and raw I have to face it. Now I am medicated to the hilt as my brain unpacks years of abuse and horridness and throws image after image after image at me.
The most important thing - this happened to me in the 70's when children with bruises and broken bones were clumsy and adults were believed, is to talk to anyone, someone as soon as you possibly can. Put it out there. Don't do a 40 year sentence when you are the innocent in all of this. The sooner you start to talk, the less of a blight it will be to your future.
You are strong and you can do this.



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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2017, 09:44:19 am »
Hi Glad to have found this website and forum.
So good to have somewhere share experiences, having a difficult mum is such a taboo. Only understood by those who have experienced it. If you make the slightest suggestion that a mum was less than perfect most people behave as if you are being nasty and ungrateful.


My mum is completely self obsessed and doesn't like other women. Realise now she just sees them as competition. I can never remember her ever showing any affection.  She basically persued her hobbies. I was the oldest daughter and from as young as I can remember did all the cooking, cleaning etc for the family.
My mum took no interest in my education. If I passed exams she just said how she would have done better.
As I grew up she was clearly angry with me for just growing up. She wouldn't let me have sanitary towels for eg.

I funded myself through uni, I worked through the summer holidays. My mum would tell a story to force me emotionally to lend her the money I had saved for college fees.  But she would never pay the money back. Realise now she was trying to stop me going to college.

She is vain in the extreme even in her 80s. She used to refuse to introduce me & my siblings to people she knew as she didn't want them to think she was old enough to have teenagers (when in her 40s).

My son had serious health problems all his life, but she gave no support & has given none since he died. I feel like I expect many on this forum do, as if I have never had a mum.

Like many I constantly try , even having her to visit. But it is always the same, me running around after her and her being nasty.


It was easier when my sister was around as we supported each other, but she died of cancer. Again I was supporting everyone. My brothers don't get it.  She tends to hero worship them,  even to the extent of saying things I had bought for her eg washing machine, were given to her by my brothers.

To be honest I feel exhausted by it all.

Thank you for listening

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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2017, 11:03:53 am »
I lost Mildred in 2013. I am the youngest of 10, and carry scars of having her in my life for 42 yrs. I think this is a wonderful site, allowing ppl to get their experiences off their chest. Many probably have never had a chance to put a voice to their experiences, and help them to heal. Mildred gave birth to 10 kids, but was a Mother to one. I remember looking at her when I was about 12, thinking we have a cook and a housekeeper, but we don't have a Mother. She offended most of her kids, and the one that she put on a pedestal ignored her at the end of her life. I never married, and despite loving kids, never had them, as I feared that the cycle would repeat itself. I saw Dr. Phil McGraw on American t.v. say after the person passes, to picture her sitting in a chair and to voice your rage to help you heal... I did that repeated, and still couldn't get my hurt and rage out. She just wasn't emotionally there...she would ignore you if her chosen child was around. I didn't matter how much you did to help, there never was a 'thank you' or any show of appreciation, nothing ever seemed to be enough. Just before she passed away, my twin told Mildred she was a failure as a Mother. I think she needed to hear that, I just didn't have the back bone to tell her myself.  She used to tell us that we were going to miss her.  It's been 13 years now, and I still don't. I told her when she laid in her hospital bed, sleeping, that she had killed any love I had for her, and that giving birth to a child, didn't make you a Mother, you earn that title. I have had therapy most of my adult life (I'm now 55), to deal with the cancer of having  her and her family in my life. I now feel free of the past, the hurt and the pain, but it's taken me 13 yrs to get here, and cherish each day. I looked after her in the past 16 yrs of her life (she died a wk before her 84th birthday). It was ironic that the two (my twin & I) who she ignored, were there to help her, she died an angry, bitter old woman. A therapist told me she was a burden long before I wanted to admit she was, but I reconciled that with what I thought was my responsibility as a child, to look after her, and put up with her abuse in her final years. She had 10 kids, many of them professionals who at the end of her life wanted nothing to do with her.  It has taken a lot to get to the point in my life where I am, but I am also now at peace, and jealously guard my life, as to not allow my siblings back into my life, to discuss Mildred and her treatment of us. I always knew the 'train wreck' in my life would be when she passed away, trying to reconcile what I should have had for a Mother and what I had. I lost a brother when I was 10 in a car accident, if she stopped caring because of her loss, but she was a Mother to one.

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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2017, 12:02:57 pm »
Hi,

I've just found this website, and would like to share some of my experiences with a 'difficult' mother.  Mine falls into the emotionally unavailable/angry category.

I only recently finally admitted that I preferred it when she wasn't there, dreading seeing the brake lights on her car as it turned into our road. A typical day was to get up, and go to school.  When she was there (not at her boyfriends), she would get up later.  She would leave a £1 for dinner, so that I or my sister could check the cupboards and buy something to make dinner (and woe betide us if we didn't).  On her return dinner was put in front of her, she would ask for the change, eat the food, fall asleep, or go out to said boyfriend.  She neither cared for nor to wanted to be with us.  If challenged she would hit out, and still go out.

I, as the oldest bore the brunt of her legendary temper. She would generally use the back rather than the front of her hand, going for the face. One of her favourite tricks was to call or call me "it", inviting my siblings to join in.

The irony of all this is she was a Social Worker, committed to helping those in need.

I have struggled with low self-esteem all my life, never knowing what love is, or how to accept it, so I am on my own now. 

I should also say that my mother is a toxic alcoholic, and it has taken a lifetime to realise that, of course, we were never part of her world, as her primarly relationship was, and remains with alcohol.

One good thing is that I brought my son up, never hitting him, never (well almost) not listening to him and being there for him., and never, never calling him IT.

Thanks for listening.



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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2017, 01:14:01 pm »
Alyage3

What a dreadful story my heart goes out to you my story was not violent but emotionally and verbally abusive, my mother was very manipulative and very good at making me feel guilty.
I hope those horrible memories are beginning to fade talking with people who understand will help.

may you begin to heal

Mitch

PS a good book to read "Understanding The Borderline Mother"   

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« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2017, 03:04:56 pm »
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Wow what dreadful stories we have too tell, but I think this does us good releasing the toxic material from us

She killed my budgie when i was a small child. Killed my 10 year old cat (this may have been an accident).
 When first married, my mother and father rented a flat.In a big old house in Holywood. Mr Charlie was the landlord and lived on the premises, he was over ninety. My mother hated this flat.Mr Charlie obliged and duly fell down the stairs. He broke his neck.
My mothers father when he was in his seventies, fell down the stairs and was badly injured.
My father was terminally ill. He fell down the stairs, was hospitalized and died a week later.
A lot of people falling down stairs. off course this could have been natural and just happened. Whatever!, no one will ever know.???     

I find at 65 I now very little about my family background as in my house I've found history was re-written....I'm just glad this board is alive and kicking

You need a licence to keep a dog, need I say any more 

Good Luck to all


Mitch
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« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2017, 03:06:03 pm »
My mam doesnt really fit any of these catergories.

She left school in 70's at the age of 15 pretty uneducated even for a 15 year old. She was pregnant with me and no sign of my father. To this day she refuses to tell me anything.
This isnt because it was traumatic but because "its her business".
I cannot remember 1 instant of affection from her. She wasnt abusive, angry or violent and hasnt really put me down (too my face).

She married my step dad when I was 3 and moved me to Germany (he was a soldier) away from the only people I remember having "healthy loving relationships" with. My granparents and my Aunt and cousin.

I remember running away to a school at a pre school age as my mam was always in bed and dad at work. She never wanted anyone to know anything about any of our business. If someone said I did something she would never defend me she would just see it as an embarrasment to herself.
We would get puppies for a few weeks until it became a chore and they would suddenly be gone. In high school she had me going to school in factory shoes that she got free with her job (we were not short of money). And made me go in a summer dress which was blue and white when the uniform was grey and black.. weird!!
Through out my childhood 3 - 12 years old. I did suffer some sexual abuse (nothing done to me but expected to touch him) by the man who was supposed to be my dad. I once tried to bring this up with her but was stopped dead, I was left with no illusion that she was aware but not willing / strong enough to face it and mess up her "perfect" life..
Since leaving home at 16 I avoid contact as much as possible as does my brother but my sister who was 3 when I left has a different upbringing completely, they are really close infact my sister is a mini version of her. The stand in judgement of everyone and everything and are the most negative miserable people I have EVER met.

My step grandmother once told me that my mam says I have never showed her any love and that I dont allow her to be a grandmother.. My kids are close to all there relatives but not my mam, she thinks people dont care if they dont make the effort yet she doesnt make any.
Me and my brother are very successful and are in loving caring relationships but my sisiter still lives at home and has no friends at all, my mams the same. Yet they think me and my brother are to blame for everything.

Is it me?? Im wondering now as I cant fit her into a catergory..

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« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2017, 04:02:01 pm »
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Bonnie5649,

You're mother does clearly have many issues, as to not fitting in. She fits very snugly into abuse, she sent you out in ridiculous cloths That's a form of abuse & definitely not the normal. Not telling you about your biological father is also abuse (emotional) while it is her business it is also your business, you have every right to know who your father is. Then its up to alone if you want to make contact. At the very least your mother should have spoken to your stepfather or as most people would do is report him.

You need to read and learn as much as possible this will help unlock all emotional abuse you suffered and thank god this site is open so we can all talk.

I would recommend you check out  www.bpdcentral.com  & www.BPDFamily.com you will find them interesting and maybe spot your mother in them. Be careful diagnosing it really takes a professional to do this but you will find good information on these sites.

Hope this helps

Mitch

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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2017, 04:18:35 pm »
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Hi Jasmine196

social workers YUK,

don't mean to offend all the excellent social workers but the bad apples need routed out:- 
   
Apart from the doctors I had never spoken to anyone face to face about my difficulties.My union in conjunction with the company I worked for, set up a mechanism whereby they would have a councilor from the social services If anyone needed this service.It would be private between the councilor and yourself,they would supply the time and a place for the meeting. I requested a meeting and this was quickly set up, I was to meet Jack hawking and we were given an office for privacy.
 
Mr Jack hawking went through the preliminaries and then asked what I wanted to talk about.Remember I was living in world war three every day off my life since my fathers death 20 years prior.. When Mr Jack Hawking asked this question I felt myself starting to shake as I was talking.So I lit up a cigarette by now I was vibrating, all this emotion locked up inside me for over 20 years.Well now the very wonderful Mr Jack Hawking closed his folder,stood up, and said "there is nothing I can do for you" and promptly left the room. I was in total shock and did not know what to do,needless to say this set me back from seeking help and had a very bad effect on me.If I had the hold of Mr Hawking today it would be a very different story, I can assure you he would never do this to anyone else.

We must strengthen our esteem and realize we are strong. WE ARE SURVIVORS

We need to feel good about ourselves and this site is packed with good advice

Mitch